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The latest rumor is that the Mets are going to be in the hunt for free agent LHP C.C. Sabathia. Why? Are we trying to become the Yankees? Just what we need. Two pitchers with $20 million+ a year committed to them over at the minimum next five or six years with Santana, and seven with Sabathia. Maybe it sounds enticing having a couple of hard-throwing southpaws at the front of your rotation.
The payroll was almost $140 million this year, with plenty coming off the books, but signing Sabathia limits the Mets chances to pursue their much needed holes on this team.
…and has anyone seen Sabathia in the playoffs?
2008 with Brewers vs Phillies - 3.2 IP, 5 earned runs
2007 with Indians vs Yankees - 5.0 IP, 4 earned runs
2007 with Indians vs Red Sox - 4.1 IP, 8 earned runs
2007 with Indians vs Red Sox - 6.0 IP, 4 earned runs
2001 with Indians vs Mariners - 6.0 IP, 2 earned runs
That’s an 8.28 ERA in five starts in the postseason. Not worth $21 million a year.
Pass.
Can we grow a couple players already instead of having to look to the free agent market every year?
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9 Responses for "Say No To C.C."
I understand the payroll argument, but I don’t get the playoffs argument. His lone 2001 start was good, and his lone 2008 start was like his fourth start coming on three days rest. So basically, we are judging Sabathia on one postseason in a tremendously small sample size.
I understand his arm may fall off and the Mets don’t need another hugely paid starting pitcher, but I’d like a few more starts before I’d call him incapable of playoff starting.
Thank you for being a voice of reason Robby. The playoff argument is worthless, as you are judging a player on a 5 game sample size, 1 of which he was pretty good, and another where he was serviceable.
I know stats aren’t Hot Foot’s focus, but you’re better than that!!!
My main argument is that there is no need to spend $21 million on this guy when it isn’t a huge hole. Using that amount of money on one player when you could spend that amount on 4 or 5 different players to fill more serious holes, is ridiculous.
The playoff stats are just my personal opinion. He failed to come up big in three straight playoff starts in 2007, which is pretty bad for an ace…
I agree, how big a sample size do you need? Look at Suppan, great in 06 and now he is a back of rotation pitcher and he couldn’t help Brew Crew get past phillies. I have my doubts about a guy this big, throwing as many pitches as he does. Looks like a knee injury waiting to happen. Spread money around to get LF, bullpen help and maybe a #3 or #4 rotation guy. I have always been weary of C.C.. Remember how bad he started this year too until righting the ship and going to a weaker NL. I have my doubts but can’t wait for 2009. LGM.
Do we have to wait until another big series in post-season to find out?
Nope, use the money to improve other areas more deserving, esp closer in bp.
Hey Gary, how about the talk about getting k-rod? He also has not shown much in the post-season either for the money he will be asking on the FA mkt. He seems to have lost quite a few mph off his fastball over the years. I hear on the tv, the ann say that he wants to pitch more to contact? Wooo! I want a closer that can shut the other tm down and a strikeout when needed, a fact that hurt Mets this yr. We had no one, maybe Stokes for a bit, that could come in and k a guy or two, really big in late innings. Anyway I have my concerns about the money he, k-rod, will be seeking unless he shows that he can still strikeout hitters and hit the mid to upper 90’s w/his fastball. Just thinking out loud. Love Hot Foot.
First off that is a small sample size. AND HE WILL HELP US MAKE THE PLAYOFFS!! And why do you care about the payroll?? Are you Wilpon?!! If not who cares what the payroll is. I don’t care if it is 500m. Not wanting a 1-2 punch of CC and Johan is asisine and dumb. He will help this team, and after the LAST 3 YEARS, I want to get him.
The Mets should worry about fixing their bullpen first. K-Rod should be their top priority.
CC seems like overkill. I’d rather overhaul the entire bullpen with that money.
Gary Gary way to fail.
Lets see, in 2001 he did well. In 2007 he did poorly, fine. In 2008, he was pitching on 3 days rest for the bajillionth time in a row. This is what we mean by small sample sizes. He had one bad year, and the other two times he was good and extraordinarily overworked.
But your conclusion however IS correct. C.C. Sabathia is a great pitcher who forever has had a conditioning problem. He’s always overweight. Which is why committing long term to such a pitcher is a nasty proposition at best.
Plus it was a contract year last year and he overperformed his FIP (though it still would’ve been amazing). A decline as fast as Sabathia’s surge to the top of the pitching stats lists would not be that much of a surprise.
Krod’s the same way in the last sentence, but that’s another story.
By my calculation the last long-term big name free agent the Mets signed was Billy Wagner before the 2006 season. Yes, they signed Moises Alou and Scott Schoeneweis before 2007. I’m not so sure the Mets have been big players in the FA market every year…
They acquired Johan Santana and Carlos Delgado via trading of prospects, which is one way to improve your team using resources from within the organization.
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