Comments on: The Case Against Unloading The Farm For Johan http://www.hotfootblog.com/2007/12/12/the-case-against-unloading-the-farm-for-johan/ New York Mets news, rumors, and analysis. Fri, 09 Jan 2009 01:58:00 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.7 hourly 1 By: Gary Grund http://www.hotfootblog.com/2007/12/12/the-case-against-unloading-the-farm-for-johan/comment-page-1/#comment-428 Gary Grund Thu, 13 Dec 2007 01:38:34 +0000 http://www.hotfootblog.com/2007/12/12/the-case-against-unloading-the-farm-for-johan/#comment-428 It's not even the matter of the Mets acquiring a front of the line pitcher just for this year. After this season, the only current starting pitcher that is under contract still is John Maine. Not to say that Pedro or Ollie won't be re-signed or anything. I would feel much more comfortable going into next season knowing that I have more than one starter coming back at the end of the year for sure. It’s not even the matter of the Mets acquiring a front of the line pitcher just for this year. After this season, the only current starting pitcher that is under contract still is John Maine. Not to say that Pedro or Ollie won’t be re-signed or anything. I would feel much more comfortable going into next season knowing that I have more than one starter coming back at the end of the year for sure.

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]]> By: rzanca http://www.hotfootblog.com/2007/12/12/the-case-against-unloading-the-farm-for-johan/comment-page-1/#comment-424 rzanca Wed, 12 Dec 2007 19:21:39 +0000 http://www.hotfootblog.com/2007/12/12/the-case-against-unloading-the-farm-for-johan/#comment-424 Respectfully to all involved with their passionate and serious analyses here: I cannot understand how people are condemning Pelfrey. Al serious indicators show that the vast majority of pitchers need a few years of development before it can be determined how good they will be as MLBers. Have you ever seen Glavine's record for his first three years in MLB? Not so pretty. Don't get me wrong, I would love to see Santana in a Mets uniform come April, but I also question how bright it is to give up our best prospects to date. You folks all recall Pelfrey's dazzling late season win over Atlanta, right? Don't tell me that didn't make you think twice about how tremendous a pitcher this kid may be once he gets his major league groove on. I actually am very keen to see him become a part of the regular rotation. If he stinks it up consistently this year, then I think we have much better grounds to judge his career prospects, though not completely. My money is on him not stinking it up, but on becoming a high quality MLBer--possible future Cy Young material. So, in the end, I would support him becoming part of a deal for Santana--a proven ace--but I am also confident he's going to tunr out to be a fine pitcher in his own right. For me, it's kind of a win-win. Respectfully to all involved with their passionate and serious analyses here: I cannot understand how people are condemning Pelfrey. Al serious indicators show that the vast majority of pitchers need a few years of development before it can be determined how good they will be as MLBers. Have you ever seen Glavine’s record for his first three years in MLB? Not so pretty.

Don’t get me wrong, I would love to see Santana in a Mets uniform come April, but I also question how bright it is to give up our best prospects to date.

You folks all recall Pelfrey’s dazzling late season win over Atlanta, right? Don’t tell me that didn’t make you think twice about how tremendous a pitcher this kid may be once he gets his major league groove on. I actually am very keen to see him become a part of the regular rotation. If he stinks it up consistently this year, then I think we have much better grounds to judge his career prospects, though not completely. My money is on him not stinking it up, but on becoming a high quality MLBer–possible future Cy Young material.

So, in the end, I would support him becoming part of a deal for Santana–a proven ace–but I am also confident he’s going to tunr out to be a fine pitcher in his own right. For me, it’s kind of a win-win.

]]> By: Andrew Beaton http://www.hotfootblog.com/2007/12/12/the-case-against-unloading-the-farm-for-johan/comment-page-1/#comment-423 Andrew Beaton Wed, 12 Dec 2007 19:03:21 +0000 http://www.hotfootblog.com/2007/12/12/the-case-against-unloading-the-farm-for-johan/#comment-423 We'd be making a huge mistake on giving up on Pelfrey and Humber now. For some reason people are under the impression that the Mets' prospects suck and that's not true. Pelfrey and Humber need more development--we rushed them too quickly. Having them go for us this year in the majors was a mistake. The big leagues is no place to learn how to pitch or to refine your mechanics and other pitches. You can't depend on the amateur draft for anything, its so tough to tell what you're getting. The collapse has imprinted this idea on us, that the Mets are now some terrible team that NEEDS the big gun. We don't. It'd be great but its not neccesary for us to win. At Fox Sports, Dayn Perry has an article up with a division-by-division breakdown, where he lists the Mets still as the top team in the NL East. Saying we need that top starter to compete this year is just absurd. We’d be making a huge mistake on giving up on Pelfrey and Humber now. For some reason people are under the impression that the Mets’ prospects suck and that’s not true.
Pelfrey and Humber need more development–we rushed them too quickly. Having them go for us this year in the majors was a mistake. The big leagues is no place to learn how to pitch or to refine your mechanics and other pitches.
You can’t depend on the amateur draft for anything, its so tough to tell what you’re getting.
The collapse has imprinted this idea on us, that the Mets are now some terrible team that NEEDS the big gun. We don’t. It’d be great but its not neccesary for us to win.
At Fox Sports, Dayn Perry has an article up with a division-by-division breakdown, where he lists the Mets still as the top team in the NL East.
Saying we need that top starter to compete this year is just absurd.

]]> By: Gary Grund http://www.hotfootblog.com/2007/12/12/the-case-against-unloading-the-farm-for-johan/comment-page-1/#comment-422 Gary Grund Wed, 12 Dec 2007 18:53:56 +0000 http://www.hotfootblog.com/2007/12/12/the-case-against-unloading-the-farm-for-johan/#comment-422 The fact that you are getting an outstanding starting pitcher for a few pitchers and a couple of outfielders is unbelievable. First of all, Guerra and Martinez are on 18 and God knows how they will pan out at this point in their career. Humber/Pelfrey both have had their chances to prove to the Mets that they are worthy of being on this team and haven't done anything to impress me. The Mets prospects are very overrated. I'm willing to risk the $20 million a year for six years and potential risk at an injury if it means I have a chance to win a couple of championships through Santana's tenure as a Met. The answer for the rotation is not Freddy Garcia. It is not Bartolo Colon. Those are fallback options that count as high risk, high reward type signings. Garcia won't even be available until June or July at best. What do we do until then? Play Mike Pelfrey in the 5th spot again? I'm sure his career 5-9 record with a 5.55 ERA will be enough. The pitching market may not be as strong as you may think next year with teams starting to lockup pitchers of that caliber long-term now before they even hit the market. If the Omar doesn't make a serious move for a good pitcher this offseason, we might as well build for 2009 and Citifield. There is no way the Mets can compete with Pedro, El Duque, Perez, Maine and Pelfrey in this rotation. Pelfrey sure as hell isn't going to cover Glavine's 200 innings and El Duque and Pedro are good for at least one stint on the DL per season. This is the problem with the Mets. Instead of trading their prospects when their value is sky high, they bring them up to the majors and they make sure they lower their value before trading them. Milledge is a prime example right now. Pelfrey and Humber are next. Their value has gone way down since a year ago. I have to agree with Anthony on this. Between the Mets having two first-round draft picks and Omar's Latin connections, the Mets will have no problem restocking their farm system this season if they were to give up their farm in a trade. Omar is good for just about one Latin prospect per year in Fernando Martinez and Francisco Pena. The Mets just took two nice pitchers in Eddie Kunz and Nathan Vineyard this past June in the Amateur Draft. Not to mention, the team still has a ton of young bullpen arms like Ambiorix Burgos and Joe Smith. They also have a couple of young pitchers in Brant Rustich and Jon Niese. The fact that you are getting an outstanding starting pitcher for a few pitchers and a couple of outfielders is unbelievable. First of all, Guerra and Martinez are on 18 and God knows how they will pan out at this point in their career. Humber/Pelfrey both have had their chances to prove to the Mets that they are worthy of being on this team and haven’t done anything to impress me. The Mets prospects are very overrated.

I’m willing to risk the $20 million a year for six years and potential risk at an injury if it means I have a chance to win a couple of championships through Santana’s tenure as a Met.

The answer for the rotation is not Freddy Garcia. It is not Bartolo Colon. Those are fallback options that count as high risk, high reward type signings. Garcia won’t even be available until June or July at best. What do we do until then? Play Mike Pelfrey in the 5th spot again? I’m sure his career 5-9 record with a 5.55 ERA will be enough.

The pitching market may not be as strong as you may think next year with teams starting to lockup pitchers of that caliber long-term now before they even hit the market.

If the Omar doesn’t make a serious move for a good pitcher this offseason, we might as well build for 2009 and Citifield. There is no way the Mets can compete with Pedro, El Duque, Perez, Maine and Pelfrey in this rotation. Pelfrey sure as hell isn’t going to cover Glavine’s 200 innings and El Duque and Pedro are good for at least one stint on the DL per season.

This is the problem with the Mets. Instead of trading their prospects when their value is sky high, they bring them up to the majors and they make sure they lower their value before trading them. Milledge is a prime example right now. Pelfrey and Humber are next. Their value has gone way down since a year ago.

I have to agree with Anthony on this. Between the Mets having two first-round draft picks and Omar’s Latin connections, the Mets will have no problem restocking their farm system this season if they were to give up their farm in a trade. Omar is good for just about one Latin prospect per year in Fernando Martinez and Francisco Pena. The Mets just took two nice pitchers in Eddie Kunz and Nathan Vineyard this past June in the Amateur Draft. Not to mention, the team still has a ton of young bullpen arms like Ambiorix Burgos and Joe Smith. They also have a couple of young pitchers in Brant Rustich and Jon Niese.

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